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		<title>By: Toby V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frosty - If I understand you correctly, you are saying that signing Meche and Guillen was not so much about getting top end players as it was to show the MLB that the Royals are willing to go out and be part of that bidding process?  (Or be players in the process when those names come up?)  Hope that is correct.  
I don&#039;t know that showing the league that you are handcuffed in making anymore major pickups for 5 years if the players you sign don&#039;t work out is a good sign either.  
As I said, just seems like something is not right when 25 or 29 other teams have made the playoffs since the Royals and 28 or 29 have made the playoff since.  This includes teams that have low payrolls also and poor minors leagues as well.  I know this doesn&#039;t all fall on GMDM.  My point is that there just always seems to be some excuse built into the failure of this franchise.  (Poor drafting by prior GMs, no money, tied up with bad contracts, waiting on fram system to develope...)  Even if you are focusing on the minors, you should see improvement at the MLB level during the process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frosty &#8211; If I understand you correctly, you are saying that signing Meche and Guillen was not so much about getting top end players as it was to show the MLB that the Royals are willing to go out and be part of that bidding process?  (Or be players in the process when those names come up?)  Hope that is correct.<br />
I don&#8217;t know that showing the league that you are handcuffed in making anymore major pickups for 5 years if the players you sign don&#8217;t work out is a good sign either.<br />
As I said, just seems like something is not right when 25 or 29 other teams have made the playoffs since the Royals and 28 or 29 have made the playoff since.  This includes teams that have low payrolls also and poor minors leagues as well.  I know this doesn&#8217;t all fall on GMDM.  My point is that there just always seems to be some excuse built into the failure of this franchise.  (Poor drafting by prior GMs, no money, tied up with bad contracts, waiting on fram system to develope&#8230;)  Even if you are focusing on the minors, you should see improvement at the MLB level during the process.</p>
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		<title>By: gbewing</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=3262&#038;cpage=1#comment-3713</link>
		<dc:creator>gbewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[of course frsoty it could be the Royals deserve their image (backward-overly uptight, recent track record of hiring embarrassing managers, antisabermetric) other small pay roll teams seem to do just fine. It&#039;s not about signing superstars, it&#039;s about signing players on the verge of breaking out. The Royals have no one to blame but themselves, and the Moore inherited...... card has run dry dude has been here 5 years]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of course frsoty it could be the Royals deserve their image (backward-overly uptight, recent track record of hiring embarrassing managers, antisabermetric) other small pay roll teams seem to do just fine. It&#8217;s not about signing superstars, it&#8217;s about signing players on the verge of breaking out. The Royals have no one to blame but themselves, and the Moore inherited&#8230;&#8230; card has run dry dude has been here 5 years</p>
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		<title>By: Frosty Maltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frosty Maltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 19:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TOBY V, my answer to your question, and everyone else&#039;s question, on Meche and Guillen can only involve philosophy. This website loves to measure &quot;The Process&quot; via stats and charts. Interesting, sort of. My take is running a franchise, or restoring a franchise, is more than measurable numbers or stats: a lot is philosophy... strategically getting into the baseball world&#039;s head. Yankees and Red Sox are not about philosophy, they don&#039;t have to be smart and have a strategy. They just go out and buy bazookas and mow things down. That is boring. That is killing the excitement of the game.

Primarily, initially, for Moore: It came down making people &quot;wonder&quot; about the Royals again (Players and fans alike), and recreating an image. Humor me hear. 

No free agent in the game who is decently good in the majors is going to get all giddy and drool at the thought of playing for that farm team the Royals. This is a fact. Dayton Moore inherited not just a franchise with no stock, but in essence, he inherited a laughing stock. Moore had not just to change the substantive product on the field but primarily the IMAGE that comes to a player and a fan&#039;s mind when he hears the name &quot;Royals&quot;... They are blooper real, a &#039;minor league team&#039;, right? Yep. How do you change that image? Not easy. You need to be smart. You need to be philosophical.

This recreation of an image is not easy when you don&#039;t have money.  You have to get philosophical if not artsy... you have to create shadows with nothing, create draft smoke screens and optical illusions, and bluff when you have no cards, and purposely lose some hands just to sit at the table with big whigs (insert Meche and Guillen)... you have to wear fancy suits that you can&#039;t afford... and even be the first team out of the trade gate to just to get the baseball world thinking about the &#039;fast moving&#039; Royals... like we saw this summer with DeJesus. Word association...   

Images: Look back to that summer we bid on Tori Hunter. Dayton Moore, even with his Aramani suit and a renovated ballpark knew he was never going to get Tori Hunter to sign for the Royals. How many surprising headlines did the Royals make though? That was huge. Yet, Moore had to step up to the table that off-season, and the ridiculous contract of Guillen and Meche was not the main point; it was the price he had to pay to get people associating the &quot;Royals&quot; with &quot;spending money&quot;. It is like Pavlov&#039;s theory... people need to begin to drool when the think of the Royals. The image had to change slowly, if not awkwardly. Moore knew we never were going to get anybody really good, he had to overpay to get average. But that wasn&#039;t the point.

If none of that makes sense, think of Guillen and Meche this way: those signings were analogous to purchasing a seat and a beer in the MLB. Sometimes you have to overpay on a scalped ticket and buy a $10 beer that in the end sucks... that bitter beer was Guillen and that scalped ticket was Meche. They were the price of admission to get our franchise in the purview of serious folks. That is priceless.  Even if they still chuckle and wonder why with Meche and Guillen, at least got people wondering about the Royals. Philosophy begins in wonder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOBY V, my answer to your question, and everyone else&#8217;s question, on Meche and Guillen can only involve philosophy. This website loves to measure &#8220;The Process&#8221; via stats and charts. Interesting, sort of. My take is running a franchise, or restoring a franchise, is more than measurable numbers or stats: a lot is philosophy&#8230; strategically getting into the baseball world&#8217;s head. Yankees and Red Sox are not about philosophy, they don&#8217;t have to be smart and have a strategy. They just go out and buy bazookas and mow things down. That is boring. That is killing the excitement of the game.</p>
<p>Primarily, initially, for Moore: It came down making people &#8220;wonder&#8221; about the Royals again (Players and fans alike), and recreating an image. Humor me hear. </p>
<p>No free agent in the game who is decently good in the majors is going to get all giddy and drool at the thought of playing for that farm team the Royals. This is a fact. Dayton Moore inherited not just a franchise with no stock, but in essence, he inherited a laughing stock. Moore had not just to change the substantive product on the field but primarily the IMAGE that comes to a player and a fan&#8217;s mind when he hears the name &#8220;Royals&#8221;&#8230; They are blooper real, a &#8216;minor league team&#8217;, right? Yep. How do you change that image? Not easy. You need to be smart. You need to be philosophical.</p>
<p>This recreation of an image is not easy when you don&#8217;t have money.  You have to get philosophical if not artsy&#8230; you have to create shadows with nothing, create draft smoke screens and optical illusions, and bluff when you have no cards, and purposely lose some hands just to sit at the table with big whigs (insert Meche and Guillen)&#8230; you have to wear fancy suits that you can&#8217;t afford&#8230; and even be the first team out of the trade gate to just to get the baseball world thinking about the &#8216;fast moving&#8217; Royals&#8230; like we saw this summer with DeJesus. Word association&#8230;   </p>
<p>Images: Look back to that summer we bid on Tori Hunter. Dayton Moore, even with his Aramani suit and a renovated ballpark knew he was never going to get Tori Hunter to sign for the Royals. How many surprising headlines did the Royals make though? That was huge. Yet, Moore had to step up to the table that off-season, and the ridiculous contract of Guillen and Meche was not the main point; it was the price he had to pay to get people associating the &#8220;Royals&#8221; with &#8220;spending money&#8221;. It is like Pavlov&#8217;s theory&#8230; people need to begin to drool when the think of the Royals. The image had to change slowly, if not awkwardly. Moore knew we never were going to get anybody really good, he had to overpay to get average. But that wasn&#8217;t the point.</p>
<p>If none of that makes sense, think of Guillen and Meche this way: those signings were analogous to purchasing a seat and a beer in the MLB. Sometimes you have to overpay on a scalped ticket and buy a $10 beer that in the end sucks&#8230; that bitter beer was Guillen and that scalped ticket was Meche. They were the price of admission to get our franchise in the purview of serious folks. That is priceless.  Even if they still chuckle and wonder why with Meche and Guillen, at least got people wondering about the Royals. Philosophy begins in wonder.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby V</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=3262&#038;cpage=1#comment-3695</link>
		<dc:creator>Toby V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 10:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My problem with that is:  if the Royals truely believe that you must have a strong minors in place before they can contend, then why do you go out and spend high dollar on a Meche or Guillen type players so early on in the rebuild process?  Just seems like &quot;We are rebuilding the minorrs&quot; or &quot;wait till this guy or this group of players comes up&quot; has become a built in excuse for having a poor product at the MLB level.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My problem with that is:  if the Royals truely believe that you must have a strong minors in place before they can contend, then why do you go out and spend high dollar on a Meche or Guillen type players so early on in the rebuild process?  Just seems like &#8220;We are rebuilding the minorrs&#8221; or &#8220;wait till this guy or this group of players comes up&#8221; has become a built in excuse for having a poor product at the MLB level.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=3262&#038;cpage=1#comment-3693</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 19:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because for the Royals to contend in the majors without relying on talent from the farm system, they would have to completely overhaul the 25-man roster, and that takes more money than they have.  Sure, if the club hadn&#039;t been nearly bereft of ML talent when DM took over, maybe they could have made a couple shrewd free agency signings and had a run at the weak Central title.  But when only six or seven players on the team are talented enough to start for ML clubs outside or KC and Pittsburgh and Montreal/DC, well, there just isn&#039;t enough of a foundation to build a winning team without spending huge in free agency.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because for the Royals to contend in the majors without relying on talent from the farm system, they would have to completely overhaul the 25-man roster, and that takes more money than they have.  Sure, if the club hadn&#8217;t been nearly bereft of ML talent when DM took over, maybe they could have made a couple shrewd free agency signings and had a run at the weak Central title.  But when only six or seven players on the team are talented enough to start for ML clubs outside or KC and Pittsburgh and Montreal/DC, well, there just isn&#8217;t enough of a foundation to build a winning team without spending huge in free agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Toby V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everyone keeps assuming that these young arms in the minors are going to come up and be top level players.  What happens if they are not?  Will this franchise be willing to spend money to fix the problem if they are not?  Or will we just wait for the next wave of young arms and move our contending date to 2016?  I still stuggle to understand why you cannot have a contending team in the majors while you rebuild your minor league system.  It should not be one or the other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone keeps assuming that these young arms in the minors are going to come up and be top level players.  What happens if they are not?  Will this franchise be willing to spend money to fix the problem if they are not?  Or will we just wait for the next wave of young arms and move our contending date to 2016?  I still stuggle to understand why you cannot have a contending team in the majors while you rebuild your minor league system.  It should not be one or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am beginning to think Francouer will not be signed.  Moore says that it is not cost effective for the Royals to spend in free agency, and after getting so horribly burned in the Jose Guillen deal, perhaps he is less gung ho about signing not good outfielders that nobody else wants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am beginning to think Francouer will not be signed.  Moore says that it is not cost effective for the Royals to spend in free agency, and after getting so horribly burned in the Jose Guillen deal, perhaps he is less gung ho about signing not good outfielders that nobody else wants.</p>
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		<title>By: Frosty Maltz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frosty Maltz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 16:52:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You want logic? Read. 

This trade is obvious guys... if you live in the land that is outside of the box. 

What do we see? Moore will want an impact bat (or two) for Greinke. He is making that clear with this trade. We already got &#039;pitching&#039; for our trade-chip in DeJesus. Moore knows that we have front line starters in the minors, and now have a couple more back of the end starters in Mazarro and Marks to throw in the mix. Pitching is the currency that we have in the minors. DeJesus was never going to bring us an impact bat (let alone an impact arm)... DeJesus never fit the Moore franchise mold. 

Brethren: Moore wants the big league clubs who covet Greinke to realize that they are going to have to give a huge prospect bat or two and NOT pitching to get Greinke.  Jeff Francouer might be wearing Royal Blue come Spring... but I am still convinced that Dayton Moore is looking for the &quot;Mold&quot; center fielder... the next Andruw Jones. Where is he? Is he swimming over in the Angels minor league system (Mike Trout?) or is he up in the land of the Twin Cities (Aaron Hicks?)

Wherever. Moore loves smokescreens and hidden messages. The message or logic in this trade: Don&#039;t try and give us pitching for Greinke. We have that. Give us a five-tool-kind of guy who plays center-field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You want logic? Read. </p>
<p>This trade is obvious guys&#8230; if you live in the land that is outside of the box. </p>
<p>What do we see? Moore will want an impact bat (or two) for Greinke. He is making that clear with this trade. We already got &#8216;pitching&#8217; for our trade-chip in DeJesus. Moore knows that we have front line starters in the minors, and now have a couple more back of the end starters in Mazarro and Marks to throw in the mix. Pitching is the currency that we have in the minors. DeJesus was never going to bring us an impact bat (let alone an impact arm)&#8230; DeJesus never fit the Moore franchise mold. </p>
<p>Brethren: Moore wants the big league clubs who covet Greinke to realize that they are going to have to give a huge prospect bat or two and NOT pitching to get Greinke.  Jeff Francouer might be wearing Royal Blue come Spring&#8230; but I am still convinced that Dayton Moore is looking for the &#8220;Mold&#8221; center fielder&#8230; the next Andruw Jones. Where is he? Is he swimming over in the Angels minor league system (Mike Trout?) or is he up in the land of the Twin Cities (Aaron Hicks?)</p>
<p>Wherever. Moore loves smokescreens and hidden messages. The message or logic in this trade: Don&#8217;t try and give us pitching for Greinke. We have that. Give us a five-tool-kind of guy who plays center-field.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 15:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, so I am not so upset.  I still don&#039;t like the trade, mostly because I feel that GMDM decided in his mind that he &quot;needed&quot; a ML ready pitcher out of this trade, and so maybe ignored maximizing the return.  No idea if this is right...it is all conjecture based on the rumors of what Boston or San Diego might have offered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, so I am not so upset.  I still don&#8217;t like the trade, mostly because I feel that GMDM decided in his mind that he &#8220;needed&#8221; a ML ready pitcher out of this trade, and so maybe ignored maximizing the return.  No idea if this is right&#8230;it is all conjecture based on the rumors of what Boston or San Diego might have offered.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew J Overton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew J Overton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as the timing is concerned Wayland, if there wasn&#039;t much interest to begin with, maybe once Werth and Crawford signed, interest in Dejesus could have actually fallen.  If the main teams interested (As and maybe Red Sox?) had signed a free agent outfielder, maybe there would have been much less on the table for a trade.  All speculation though.

I agree Abh that we lost one of our above average hitters, but I would say the goal is to open spots on a losing team so that we can discover new above average hitters who will be around for more than one year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the timing is concerned Wayland, if there wasn&#8217;t much interest to begin with, maybe once Werth and Crawford signed, interest in Dejesus could have actually fallen.  If the main teams interested (As and maybe Red Sox?) had signed a free agent outfielder, maybe there would have been much less on the table for a trade.  All speculation though.</p>
<p>I agree Abh that we lost one of our above average hitters, but I would say the goal is to open spots on a losing team so that we can discover new above average hitters who will be around for more than one year.</p>
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