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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=4295&#038;cpage=1#comment-8549</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would have no problem with the offloading of either melky or francoeur because we have cane and mitch.  In fact they need to offload one of the three none gordan outfielders to make space for cane next year.  I dont see either melky or francoeur wanting to ride the bench behind cane, expectially francoeur.  I think the obvious choice is to trade the french man and get something for him before he walks at the end of the year with the royals seeing not even a minor league player for him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have no problem with the offloading of either melky or francoeur because we have cane and mitch.  In fact they need to offload one of the three none gordan outfielders to make space for cane next year.  I dont see either melky or francoeur wanting to ride the bench behind cane, expectially francoeur.  I think the obvious choice is to trade the french man and get something for him before he walks at the end of the year with the royals seeing not even a minor league player for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Frito Bandito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frito Bandito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is really hard to even think that Felipe Paulino is a stopper of any kind. Over his last six starts his ERA is 5.22 (ouch) and he has a WIP of 1.49 (ouch, ouch). Is that really the kind of pitcher that stops anything? I think not.  He had 3 good starts when he came over, I might he say he had four, but after that he is just another Royal starter that would not start for another mlb team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is really hard to even think that Felipe Paulino is a stopper of any kind. Over his last six starts his ERA is 5.22 (ouch) and he has a WIP of 1.49 (ouch, ouch). Is that really the kind of pitcher that stops anything? I think not.  He had 3 good starts when he came over, I might he say he had four, but after that he is just another Royal starter that would not start for another mlb team.</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Do you really believe Royals will invest so much in Colon and not give him a chance?&quot;

Yes.  These aren&#039;t the Hochevar days when there isn&#039;t any competition for positions.  Colon is sandwiched between Giavotella and Navarro with Bianchi in the mix if he could stay healthy.  Gio is forcing GMDM&#039;s hand and will get a 40-man spot and be up this year with the chance to take 2nd from Getz, whether in two weeks or in September and I presume him to be the immediate future with Colon needing to take the job rather than being given it.  Colon lacks speed and hasn&#039;t been hitting much and has Navarro hitting better and at 2nd in Springdale.  When Colon was drafted, Gio wasn&#039;t a top prospect, but he heated up in Arkansas and has turned into a monster at Omaha, so the need at the time of last year&#039;s draft is no longer there, especially with Rey Navarro performing better than Colon in his brief time with the Naturals after doing well in the bad hitter&#039;s park that is Wilmington.

&quot;As for Cain, i don’t think the batting average comparison you are making to Hosmer and Moustakas are apples to apples. When Cain comes up, he will be embarking on his SECOND 160 at bats,&quot;

For apples-to-apples we might consider Kila late last year or Brayan Pena hitting .300 at the same time.  I&#039;m not guaranteeing a drop-off, just suggesting a degree of difference between Omaha and the K.  Aviles&#039; numbers in Omaha reflect the inverse of the drop from the minors, a .225 hitter in the bigs becomes a .300 hitter in the minors.  Kila is also hitting around .300 at Omaha and Jeff Suppan is winning lots of games up there.  

Cain&#039;s numbers, while good, don&#039;t really stand out as dominant in his line-up and he is still striking out about 25% of the time, a percentage unlikely to drop when facing much better pitching.  I expect Cain to come up as his defense, arm, and speed will play well in the majors, but I don&#039;t expect him to replace Melky&#039;s production soon or even next year when we could still have Melky and when we should have a seriously competitive team.  Cain might become Mickey Mantle or he might become Jarrod Dyson.  We&#039;ll learn the answer, but I wouldn&#039;t just give the Melkman away to clear a space for Cain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you really believe Royals will invest so much in Colon and not give him a chance?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.  These aren&#8217;t the Hochevar days when there isn&#8217;t any competition for positions.  Colon is sandwiched between Giavotella and Navarro with Bianchi in the mix if he could stay healthy.  Gio is forcing GMDM&#8217;s hand and will get a 40-man spot and be up this year with the chance to take 2nd from Getz, whether in two weeks or in September and I presume him to be the immediate future with Colon needing to take the job rather than being given it.  Colon lacks speed and hasn&#8217;t been hitting much and has Navarro hitting better and at 2nd in Springdale.  When Colon was drafted, Gio wasn&#8217;t a top prospect, but he heated up in Arkansas and has turned into a monster at Omaha, so the need at the time of last year&#8217;s draft is no longer there, especially with Rey Navarro performing better than Colon in his brief time with the Naturals after doing well in the bad hitter&#8217;s park that is Wilmington.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for Cain, i don’t think the batting average comparison you are making to Hosmer and Moustakas are apples to apples. When Cain comes up, he will be embarking on his SECOND 160 at bats,&#8221;</p>
<p>For apples-to-apples we might consider Kila late last year or Brayan Pena hitting .300 at the same time.  I&#8217;m not guaranteeing a drop-off, just suggesting a degree of difference between Omaha and the K.  Aviles&#8217; numbers in Omaha reflect the inverse of the drop from the minors, a .225 hitter in the bigs becomes a .300 hitter in the minors.  Kila is also hitting around .300 at Omaha and Jeff Suppan is winning lots of games up there.  </p>
<p>Cain&#8217;s numbers, while good, don&#8217;t really stand out as dominant in his line-up and he is still striking out about 25% of the time, a percentage unlikely to drop when facing much better pitching.  I expect Cain to come up as his defense, arm, and speed will play well in the majors, but I don&#8217;t expect him to replace Melky&#8217;s production soon or even next year when we could still have Melky and when we should have a seriously competitive team.  Cain might become Mickey Mantle or he might become Jarrod Dyson.  We&#8217;ll learn the answer, but I wouldn&#8217;t just give the Melkman away to clear a space for Cain.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Fosler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Fosler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 16:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim - I intentionally left out the 2009 season in which Aviles played hurt and sparingly as I don&#039;t believe it is an accurate sample.  As for Cain, i don&#039;t think the batting average comparison you are making to Hosmer and Moustakas are apples to apples.  When Cain comes up, he will be embarking on his SECOND 160 at bats, not his first.  He is more likely to hit closer to his minor league numbers than a player who has never been exposed to ml pitching.  And yes, those are still actual major league pitchers teams use in August and September.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; I intentionally left out the 2009 season in which Aviles played hurt and sparingly as I don&#8217;t believe it is an accurate sample.  As for Cain, i don&#8217;t think the batting average comparison you are making to Hosmer and Moustakas are apples to apples.  When Cain comes up, he will be embarking on his SECOND 160 at bats, not his first.  He is more likely to hit closer to his minor league numbers than a player who has never been exposed to ml pitching.  And yes, those are still actual major league pitchers teams use in August and September.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim, I read Rany&#039;s column, too, but that is one man&#039;s take.  Do you really believe Royals will invest so much in Colon and not give him a chance?  Point is braintrust will be pushing others aside soon for Colon, so if we want to see what we have in Gio, it needs to be done sooner rather than later.  Your point about Navarro illustrates how crowded the 2B position is for Royals.  

Gio was 1-3 with 2 walks batting leadoff last night.  He is hitting .340.  I could run off more stats but we all know that AAA stats are inflated right now.  Let&#039;s see what he can do in KC.

Getz has had over 900 major-league ABs.  If we would carry fewer pitchers, we could have Gio and Getz on same roster.  Carrying 5 guys to play 3B/SS/2B is pretty common.  This is not rocket science.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I read Rany&#8217;s column, too, but that is one man&#8217;s take.  Do you really believe Royals will invest so much in Colon and not give him a chance?  Point is braintrust will be pushing others aside soon for Colon, so if we want to see what we have in Gio, it needs to be done sooner rather than later.  Your point about Navarro illustrates how crowded the 2B position is for Royals.  </p>
<p>Gio was 1-3 with 2 walks batting leadoff last night.  He is hitting .340.  I could run off more stats but we all know that AAA stats are inflated right now.  Let&#8217;s see what he can do in KC.</p>
<p>Getz has had over 900 major-league ABs.  If we would carry fewer pitchers, we could have Gio and Getz on same roster.  Carrying 5 guys to play 3B/SS/2B is pretty common.  This is not rocket science.</p>
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		<title>By: % (In the UK)</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=4295&#038;cpage=1#comment-8504</link>
		<dc:creator>% (In the UK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 14:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Jim-Lengthy reponse...&quot;

Come on Craig,you know it makes sense! ;-)

&quot;Im still learning,being new to the nerd game &amp; trying to integrate it with the eyeballs&quot;

Making a good fist of it too old chap,very brave of you to take on the new generation at there own game but i hope you dont lose your &quot;old self&quot; too much!

I&#039;ll stick mostly to the eyeball approach British style for now as i&#039;m too long in the tooth to change,though when your investing in the amount of money i do on sports you have to note some stats,but without those &quot;eyeballs&quot; you&#039;d end up very sore on the wallet!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jim-Lengthy reponse&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Come on Craig,you know it makes sense! <img src='http://royals.server310.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Im still learning,being new to the nerd game &amp; trying to integrate it with the eyeballs&#8221;</p>
<p>Making a good fist of it too old chap,very brave of you to take on the new generation at there own game but i hope you dont lose your &#8220;old self&#8221; too much!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll stick mostly to the eyeball approach British style for now as i&#8217;m too long in the tooth to change,though when your investing in the amount of money i do on sports you have to note some stats,but without those &#8220;eyeballs&#8221; you&#8217;d end up very sore on the wallet!</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 03:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Operative words being rumor and potential.  Worley&#039;s xFIP is 3.99, LD% just shy of 20%, almost 7 K/9, .254 BABIP, 3.75 BB/9, WAR 1.2, four positive pitches, FB average at 91.5, almost 24 yrs old.  I imagine Moore asked for more than that for Melky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Operative words being rumor and potential.  Worley&#8217;s xFIP is 3.99, LD% just shy of 20%, almost 7 K/9, .254 BABIP, 3.75 BB/9, WAR 1.2, four positive pitches, FB average at 91.5, almost 24 yrs old.  I imagine Moore asked for more than that for Melky.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rumor has it that the Phillies called about a trade, but Moore wanted Vance Worley and they hung up the phone. Sometimes, I wonder how much of what Moore says is posturing, and how much of it he truly believes. If he really thinks he can get a potential number three starter for any of those players, he needs psychiatric therapy more than I do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rumor has it that the Phillies called about a trade, but Moore wanted Vance Worley and they hung up the phone. Sometimes, I wonder how much of what Moore says is posturing, and how much of it he truly believes. If he really thinks he can get a potential number three starter for any of those players, he needs psychiatric therapy more than I do.</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee, Rany talked to a scout friend awhile back who said Colon would be a career back-up and that his speed as a 22 year old was about equal to Polanco&#039;s as a 35 year old.  I&#039;ld say 2b is Gio&#039;s to lose, probably as soon as September, when he gets his audition.  Behind Colon is Rey Navarro, already at 2b, and hitting decently soon after his promotion.

Clark, xFIP seems heavily weighted to K/9, which would definitely drop Francis, even though his K/BB is not bad, LD% is in range of the top several pitchers, and he has a hr/fb about half of Greinke&#039;s.  fangraphs did change Greinke&#039;s xFIP to 3.14, but still hadn&#039;t included him with pitching leaders.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, Rany talked to a scout friend awhile back who said Colon would be a career back-up and that his speed as a 22 year old was about equal to Polanco&#8217;s as a 35 year old.  I&#8217;ld say 2b is Gio&#8217;s to lose, probably as soon as September, when he gets his audition.  Behind Colon is Rey Navarro, already at 2b, and hitting decently soon after his promotion.</p>
<p>Clark, xFIP seems heavily weighted to K/9, which would definitely drop Francis, even though his K/BB is not bad, LD% is in range of the top several pitchers, and he has a hr/fb about half of Greinke&#8217;s.  fangraphs did change Greinke&#8217;s xFIP to 3.14, but still hadn&#8217;t included him with pitching leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m listening to Schaum on 610 right now.  He said Colon will be at Omaha next year at 2B, and knocking on the door soon.  Gio may not have enough defense to beat him out, but don&#039;t we want to give him a chance to develop some value?  Getz has had his, and while it would be best to keep him, DM/Yost insist on carrying so many pitchers.  Gio was college guy drafted early.  He needs to chance to show what he can do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m listening to Schaum on 610 right now.  He said Colon will be at Omaha next year at 2B, and knocking on the door soon.  Gio may not have enough defense to beat him out, but don&#8217;t we want to give him a chance to develop some value?  Getz has had his, and while it would be best to keep him, DM/Yost insist on carrying so many pitchers.  Gio was college guy drafted early.  He needs to chance to show what he can do.</p>
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