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Deconstructing The Process

After yesterday’s 12 inning win, I know of at least one loyal commenter to this site who is delighted and one big league manager who is smirking at everyone right now.   Not to mention at least one writer on this site who is delighted with Kila Ka’aihue’s home run, double and two walk game yesterday.

Given that Ned Yost did the unthinkable by batting Willie Bloomquist third (even national guys were chiming in on Twitter with sarcastic comments), then guaranteed that Willie would get two hits and THEN actually saw the guy do it, including the game winning homer, who am I to criticize?   Frankly, I don’t even know what to say.

Instead, let’s take a quick look at what the expanded roster in September might include.   Who, if anyone, will get a call-up and of those, who will actually get a real look?  

We’ll start with the easy ones:  veteran players who have been on the disabled list:

  • Gil Meche – all signs point to Gil getting a look out of the bullpen next month.  The Royals will be careful with him at this point, so we won’t see him even every other day, but I imagine six or seven appearances at least.  The snag here is that Gil is on the 60 day disabled list (which does not take a 40 man roster spot) and a spot would have to be made on the 40 man roster to accommodate his activation.
  • Luke Hochevar – if you can believe the organization, Hochevar will make a rehab start or two shortly, which would put him on pace for a couple of September starts.  Part of me says that is a good idea, the other part of me says that Hochevar should just shut down and come back 100% next spring.
  • Brian Bannister – probably could be pitching right now if the Royals really wanted him to.   Made a two inning appearance in Omaha earlier this week and will be back up in September.   Brian’s September starts – he might well step into a regular rotation spot for the month – will likely determine if he has a future with the Royals.
  • Robinston Tejeda – supposedly will be ready in early September.   If he is, Tejeda will step back into the late inning setup role that currently makes him the third most stable member of the entire staff.
  • Josh Fields – remember him?  He has been on a rehab assignment in Northwest Arkansas after spending the season the 60 day disabled list.     Like Meche, someone has to go if Fields comes off the 60 day DL.
  • David DeJesus – there was talk of getting him back in the final couple weeks of the season, but I have not heard much about that as of late.  You kind of wonder why the rush given that DeJesus is clearly the best outfielder in the organization and not exactly a mystery as to what he will give you when healthy in 2011.

I am pretty sure the organization wants to see what Meche looks like coming out of the bullpen, so he will be activated from the 60 day DL.   They could make space on the roster for him by shifting DeJesus to the 60 day list or Hochevar if they decide to shut him down until next spring.   If the Royals also want to bring Fields up, then they will need another spot cleared.    They could make room by putting Jeff Bianchi on the 60 day list, as he has not played yet this year or Noel Arguelles, who is apparently not going to pitch this season, either.

Now, what about other guys that might get a look in September?   We will start with players who are on the 40 man roster now and would not require any correponding roster move to come up to the majors:

  • Victor Marte – I put him here only because he is on the 40 man roster and the organization still seems to have some attraction to him.   Now, given that with the above veteran activations, the Royals’ staff could already be at 15 pitchers, they might just call it good.   I have no burning desire to see Marte again and would, in fact, advocate his removal from the 40 man in favor of calling up someone else.
  • Brian Anderson – if you look at the Royals website, Anderson is listed under outfielders, but he has transitioned quickly into a relief pitcher.   Playing at three levels this year, after a lengthy instructional stint in Arizona, Anderson has thrown 13.1 innings, struck out 14 and allowed just six hits.  In three innings thus far in AAA,  Brian has been perfect.   That the Royals already have him pitching in AAA tells me they don’t want to waste any time with Anderson.  I think he comes up and gets a handful of September appearances once Omaha’s season is over.  The O-Royals, by the way, are in the hunt for a playoff berth, so they could conceivably be playing into the teens of September.  I don’t imagine anyone on that roster gets the call until that is wrapped up.
  • Amongst position players, the other guys already on the roster that might get consideration are catcher Lucas May and outfielders Jarrod Dyson and Jordan Parraz.   I could see May getting a call ‘just to get a feel for the majors’, but if he does he will not play much.   If Trey Hillman was still manager, Dyson would probably be up now, but he is hitting just .257 in Omaha and the organization would be better served by getting a true look at Gregor Blanco this September.   As for Parraz, his season was probably not enough to warrant a spot on the dugout bench.

Now, it gets interesting, as the players we are going discuss might well deserve a look, but would require making a 40 man roster move to get them to the majors:

  • Mike Moustakas – .273/.294/.453 in AAA probably cooled any front office ideas of giving Mike a look this year, but he has improved over time at this level (including an .856 OPS the last 10 games).  That said, with the Royals wanting to see what they have in Wilson Betemit and likely to take a look at Josh Fields, I imagine Moustakas’ major league career will start sometime next summer instead of this fall.
  • David Lough – A slow start this year has kept Lough’s numbers in Omaha to a modest .279/.343/.440, but he has exploded in August with a 1.006 OPS.   This is a guy who could truly factor into the Royals’ future, especially if 2011 turns out to be DeJesus’ last year with the club.   Who would you rather see, Lough or Victor Marte?   There’s your roster move if you want a look at Lough.
  • Louis Coleman – It’s always nice when a plan works and the Royals’ plan for Coleman after drafting him in 2009 was to ‘fast track’  him as a reliever.   Just over one year later, Coleman is in AAA with 39 strikeouts in 33 innings and opponents batting just .214 against him.   If Lough in place of Marte, why not Coleman?   If the future of the bullpen is Coleman and Greg Holland (who has struggled thus far in the majors, but has a habit of doing so the first couple weeks at a new level before become pretty decent) are the future of the pen in front of Tejeda and Soria, the Royals would be wise to make that move this September.
  • Blaine Hardy – He was dominant as a reliever, I mean flat-out dominant, at four levels including AAA before the Royals moved him into a starting role.    Blaine has been just okay as a starter (7 starts) but probably is not ready for major league action in that role.  I would expect some fall/winter work with an eye towards him getting a shot at the number five starter role next spring. 
  • Ed Lucas – He has played pretty much every position and hit .304/.394/.500 this year in Omaha, but I don’t know what the Royals do with him in the majors this September.   They want to get a good look at Getz, will not impinge on the Yunigma’s playing time and already have Aviles and yesterday’s hero Bloomquist.   It would be nice to reward Lucas for a good season with a major league salary for part of the month, but the Royals probably don’t want to mess with the 40 man roster just to be nice.

So, in the end, the September roster likely will swell quite a bit, but not with any player all that exciting.   Meche, Hochevar, Bannister, Tejeda and Fields are almost certainties.   With a pretty good chance that May and Anderson get a call, if not much of a look, once Omaha’s season wraps up.    After that, the club could get imaginative and bring up Coleman or Lough, or stay the course and look to Victor Marte once more for no other reason than he has been in the majors this year and has a 40 man roster spot.

Truthfully, the players the Royals really need to get a feel for are already up and playing in Kansas City.   That is progress right there over previous years under this regime.

In my other gig at Baseball Prospectus writing about fantasy baseball, I’m always on the hunt for interesting (or unique) players to profile.  I generally look for players who have altered their output (for better or for worse), try to identify the root causes and then speculate whether it’s sustainable or not.

It was with this approach in mind I decided write about our own Yuniesky Betancourt.

(Groan.  I know.  Another Yuni post.  We are all guilty of flogging this horse to death.  This will be the one and only time I weigh in on this.  Unless he wins the MVP.  Which, according to some PR flacks and assorted media fanboys, seems like a better than 50% shot.  Anyway, keep reading… Hopefully, you’ll find something new.)

We all know that Yuni is something of a free swinger at the plate.  A true grip it and rip it approach.  Only he’s pretty light on the rip it part of that cliche.  Until recently.  What gives?

For the season, Betancourt is expanding his strike zone and swinging at pitches deemed by Pitch f/x to be outside of the zone over 40% of the time.  That’s an astronomically high number – and a career high for Betancourt.  According to Fangraphs, here are the hitters who swing at the highest percentage of pitches outside the zone.

Vladimir Guerrero – 46.7%
Pablo Sandoval – 43.7%
Jeff Francoeur – 43.2%
A.J. Pierzynski – 42.9%
Delmon Young – 42.2%
Brennan Boesch – 42.1%
Alfonso Soriano – 40.8%
Alex Gonzalez – 40.2%
Yuni Betancourt – 40.1%
Adrian Beltre – 40.0%

I present that list without comment.  Mainly because, I don’t know what to make of this collection of players.  We all know that Francoeur isn’t good at baseball, but Guerrero is still capable of crushing a pitch.  Beltre is having a great season and Young is having a breakout year, but Boesch is back in the minors and Pierzynski is just horrible.  OK… maybe I lied about the “without comment” part.  The point is, there are good hitters on this list and there are bad ones.  Discipline isn’t exclusive to the best.

Just like other aspects of the game, the approach of one successful player won’t necessarily translate to the success of another player.  Francoeur and Guerrero swing at everything.  If I asked you which one you’d rather have on your team, I suspect I know the answer.

Let’s put Betancourt into the Francoeur category of those who swing at everything when they would be advised to modify their approach and narrow their strike zone.  It’s not a huge stretch. We’ve all seen Betancourt play.  And we’ve all seen him hit a soft pop up or a weak ground ball more than he’s made what I would call solid contact.  That’s likely because when he goes outside the zone and makes contact – which he does 77% of the time he swings at a pitch outside his zone – the contact he makes is generally weak.

Would it surprise you to learn that Betancourt has a career infield flyball rate of over 15%?  Almost one-fifth of all fly balls that leave his bat don’t travel to the outfield.  That’s embarrassing.  His 17.6% IFFB rate led the majors last year.  Because he doesn’t make good contact.  Because he’s swinging at bad pitches.

In games through August 2, Betancourt was hitting .253/.275/.383.  A little more power through than last year, but the OBP remained distressingly low.  Basically, it was more of the same for Betancourt.

Starting on August 3, Betancourt began his assault on American League pitching.  Since then, he’s had 61 plate appearances, crushed six home runs and hit .373/.383/.712.  Just an extraordinary and unforeseen turn of events.

It’s because he’s improved his plate discipline.

Take a look at the pitches Betancourt swung at in June of this year.  This is just one month, but it’s representative of his entire career.  (Believe me, I looked.  After awhile it’s like reading Green Eggs and Ham for the 215th time.)  If you’re a pitcher, you have to like what you see… There are a ton of ways to attack.  Sliders low and away.   High heat.  Anything inside.  Change-ups down.  It’s as if Betancourt approaches each plate appearance without the slightest idea of a plan of attack. From Texas Leaguers:

Compare that to the pitches he’s swung at during his hot streak.

He’s still offering at the high heat, but he’s not swinging at the inside pitch.  Nor is he chasing the low pitch.  Betancourt will still offer at the slider that’s down and away, but nowhere near as often as he has in the past.
We are all aware of the results.

Now the question is, will this new approach stick?  A couple of things make me skeptical.  For starters, since Betancourt went on this tear, he’s drawn a total of one walk – and it was intentional.  He’s already walking at a career low rate of once every 50 plate appearances, so ignoring the fact he did nothing to earn the solitary walk, he’s even worse than his current rate during his hot streak.  It’s curious that he seems to have improved his discipline, yet has seen his walk rate decline.

This means his lofty OBP is thanks to his inflated batting average.  Once the hits stop falling, the OBP is going to plummet. So will his value.

The second reason I doubt we will see this new and improved Yuni much longer is because the guy has over 2,900 plate appearances in his career.  He’s walked in just 3.2% of those while swinging at pitches outside the zone 32% of the time.  As the cliche goes: Old habits die hard.  Can a 28 year old major league hitter (I use that term loosely) with six years of experience under his belt, suddenly adjust his approach in such an extreme manner to the extent he alters his entire career?  Jeff Francoeur hit .284/.355/.531 in his first 93 plate appearances this year with nine walks.  Nine!  That gave him a 10% walk rate.  New York media was all over this.  It was a new day for Frenchy!  He turned it around, figured it out and was going to be awesome from now on!  This, from a guy who never walked more than 6% of the time in any full season in his career.

How’s that working out?

Since then, he’s hitting .214/.269/.322 and walked 19 times in 324 plate appearances.  Plus, seven of those walks were intentional.  Remove those intentional walks and he’s walking in just under 4% of his plate appearances.  This is the Frenchy everyone knows and loathes.

Eventually, Betancourt will have a couple of games where the hits won’t fall.  He’ll start to press.  The strike zone will expand.  And we’ll be right back to square one.

So I’ll go on the record right now and say there’s no way Betancourt continues his torrid pace for the rest of the year.  I’ll even go out on a limb and predict a line of .255/.262/.356 over the final month plus of the season.  This isn’t a stretch.  This is because we’ve all seen Betancourt play, and we all know exactly who he is.

Hey, I’ve enjoyed this offensive explosion from the man I dubbed the Yunigma as much as anyone.  I’m blogger enough to admit I never thought I’d see anything like this and it’s caught me off guard.  (Fun Yuni fact: eight of his 13 home runs have tied or given the Royals the lead.  I fully expect a barrage of PR Tweets telling me Betancourt is clutch.)

When a player has the tenure of Betancourt, to draw long-term conclusions based on less than one month of production is ill-advised.  Plus, understand that I’m not saying “Betancourt sucks” or the Royals should bench their shortstop.  It’s clear to everyone he’s been more productive at the plate than Mike Aviles, Chris Getz, Willie Bloomquist and anyone else you may think the Royals could use up the middle on the infield.  That speaks more to the cast of characters assembled by Dayton Moore than the talents of Betancourt.  It’s all relative.  While I advocated for Aviles to get more reps at short earlier in the season, he’s had a terrible last couple of months.  Betancourt deserves his time in the lineup.  There’s no one on this team who can dislodge him from his role.

However, by looking at the charts, I understand how this hot streak by Betancourt is happening.  And I understand how it’s going to end.

Old habits…

In a recent Kansas City Star article, David Glass dispelled rumors that he was selling the team.*  Many fans and large swaths of the commentariat greeted this news with dismay.  Some of the rumors have also suggested outspoken Mavericks owner Mark Cuban has an interest in the team, a proposition that excites many in K.C..  These reactions are not surprising.  The Royals have been historically abysmal during David Glass’ ownership. Mark Cuban has done wonders for his NBA franchise, and his over-the-top style is something fans gravitate to, especially at a distance.  I don’t want to further these rumors because I have absolutely no substantiation to them whatsoever, and I’d prefer writing things which I know are based in fact.  Instead, I thought I would take a look at David Glass as an owner.

*Rumors which the Star suggested came from the blogosphere, but to which I can find no evidence.  Every mention of this rumor came from either Jack Harry or sports talk radio.  While the blogosphere does in many cases spread rumors, in this case it isn’t true.  This is the first mention of this rumor on Royals Authority, and I’ve been unable to find mention of it on any of the more than a dozen Royals blogs I subscribe to.

How exactly does one grade an owner?  At the most basic level it has to be about how well a team produces on the field.   That isn’t a complete look at an owner, but it certainly is important, especially to fans.  Identifying when David Glass became the owner of the Royals is kind of murky, since he was appointed the Interim Chairman and CEO when Ewing Kauffman died in 1993 and didn’t become the sole owner until April of 2000.  For these purposes, I am going to use 2000 as the starting date of his ownership.  Since 2000 the Royals have a 725-1019 record, which ends up being a .415 winning percentage.  That winning percentage would average out to a 67-95 record.  That is phenomenally bad, but you probably already know this.  So if you were to judge him on the record of the ballclub alone then you have to rate him as one of the worst owners of all-time.  Other than moving the team out of the city, he couldn’t have been worse.

However, grading the owner involves a bit more than just the record on the field.  Although in the end, he can’t be a considered great owner until he builds a winner.  Taking a step back from how this particular owner has been, I think it would be instructive to identify the qualities that one would want in an owner.

First, he has to be willing to spend money.  It takes money to win. He is the guy that has complete control of the purse strings. You can’t be a good owner if you refuse to spend money in the draft, in development or in free agency.  It’s just not possible.  Of course what that amount should be is certainly up for debate, as is where specifically it should be spent.  But where is less the owners job than that of the General Manager.

Second, a good owner doesn’t meddle in the baseball affairs of the club.  This isn’t a hard and fast rule. I mean if Bill James was a billionaire and owned a ballclub, then I’d be happy if he put his two cents in.  However it is pretty commonplace to have owners who do NOT have expertise in building winning baseball teams, and therefore when they get involved in specifics it almost never works out.

Finally, and this is more a subset of the first point, an owner should attempt to improve the ballclub as much as possible in an attempt to create a winning franchise.  This point is in some ways the least important and in some ways the most.  I believe that every owner in baseball truly wants to build a winning franchise.  Yeah, they get into the game for the money and prestige, but I would be amazed to find any owner that genuinely didn’t want to win games, even if it cost them some profits.

So how does David Glass fit into this mold?  Honestly, it depends on when you ask.  If you were to ask that question in say 2004, by all accounts he was being extremely cheap and meddlesome.  The team cut expenses in Latin America, spent little money in the draft or free agency and was widely rumored to have squashed deals or made his front office take certain players in trades.  So on both counts he failed miserably.  However, when taking a closer look at the David Glass of 2010, we find a completely different owner.

Spending the Monies

Glass has been notoriously known as a complete cheap-skate in terms of running the Kansas City Royals. However, he has improved in that aspect.  The Major League payroll has ranked 21st overall the past two years, which is the highest it has been in the 10 years of Mr. Glass’ ownership.  In 2000, the payroll was 28th in the MLB at $24.9m and has risen to 21st with $71.4m.  So suffice to say, he has both increased the raw amount of money he has spent at the MLB level and done so at a rate greater than the overall increase in MLB payrolls during that time.  Part of that does stem from the fact that so little was spent earlier in the decade, but he still has spent more money.  Often, when people critique an owner this is where the analysis stops.  They look at a major league payroll and assume that is all the money an owner spends on a team.  However, that is just part of it.

Recently released documents from the Pirates and other MLB teams have shed some light on how much money some teams spend in all facets of the game and how much revenue they take in.  For example in 2007 the Pirates spent $21m in player development and in 2008 spent $23m.  It is unclear if those numbers include the bonuses paid in the draft, but the Pirates spent $9.7 in 2008 in that department.  David Glass isn’t the owner of the Pirates, but the examples are instructive.  Lots of money is spent on the organization beyond the Major League Payroll.

So beyond the payroll, Glass has spent $24.5m in draft bonuses from 2008-2010, which is fifth in the MLB.  Part of that comes from having high draft picks which get higher bonuses, but they haven’t been cheap with those draft picks and have signed lots of guys for over-slot money in lower rounds like Wil Myers, Mike Montgomery, Brett Eibner, Chris Dwyer, John Lamb and Jason Adams.  Add to that some Latin American signings like Cheslor Cuthbert ($1.4), Noel Arguelles ($6.9) and Humberto Arteaga ($1.1m) and you get lots of money being spent by the organization.  Money that was not being spent in the early 2000’s.

However, spending money is all relative, right?  Yes Glass was cheap earlier in the decade, but just spending more money doesn’t really make him a big spender. It could just make him a little less cheap.  So, again let’s take a look at some of the recently released financial information.  We can do a little extrapolating from the information to get a good gauge of how much money the Royals take in, then do some dirty math on expenditures and see just how much revenue is being put back into the team.  We need to take a deeper look at revenues to determine what is adequate spending.  I think it is fair to expect the team to turn a profit each year, and even to turn big profits if those can be spent in subsequent years to get that one free agent who can take a team to the playoffs.

The Pirates are a great comparison.  They have been bad for a long time, but are in an established baseball community with similar attendance figures and likely similar revenue structures.  In 2008 the Pirates received $39m in revenue sharing and got $30.3m in 2008.  I don’t really see a reason to assume the Royals got much more or less than that.  The Pirates received $39m in TV money, but I believe that is more than the Royals get from Fox.  Across the board teams make about $5 per attendee in concessions, so with roughly 1.5m people coming to the K that is approximately $7.5m in concessions.  The Pirates had gate receipts of roughly $33m, and received $2m from MLB Advanced Media.  All told the Pirates had after tax profits of around $15m each year.  They likely pull in more for TV, more for stadium naming rights and have spent a little more in the draft.  However their major league payroll has been on the order of $20m less than the Royals the past few years.  Looking at all of those numbers, my first thought is that I don’t see how the Royals have made a profit these past few years.  They have claimed to break even or make a small profit, but without a major new source of income I don’t know how that would be.   So in terms of what is spent vs what is coming in the door, I would say that lately Glass has been a very good owner in that regard.


This is a little harder to quantify.  I am not around David Glass 24/7 or even .01/1, so I don’t know for a fact whether he meddles or not.  I will have to go on rumor and what people much more connected than me say.  But the consensus is that during the Allard Baird era David Glass regularly killed trades and meddled in free agent signings.  On the flip side, I have never heard that rumor or even the hint of that rumor on the Dayton Moore era.  In fact one of the biggest criticisms fans seem to have lately is that David Glass is never around.  It’s almost assuredly a good thing that he isn’t around.  It means he can’t get involved in baseball decisions that he doesn’t have the skill set to be involved in.  It doesn’t take advanced statistics to realize that the presence of an owner doesn’t make the players on the field better.

Wanting to Win

This one is impossible.  I almost left it out completely, but I know that people want to discuss it and it means something to them.  But all I need to know is the numbers above.  David Glass by all accounts is spending lots of money to create a winning franchise, you can argue whether it is spent properly or not, but that isn’t his job it is the job of the General Manager.  I would say that spending the amount he has given what we know the revenues are, is about the biggest statement one can make about his willingness to win.

So in all three categories which make a good owner, David Glass has morphed from terrible into great.  I am honestly trying to come up with things I wish he would do differently, and I struggle to find somthing.  Every criticism and knock on him as an owner is something which doesn’t seem to be the case anymore.  The old David Glass is STILL killing this team due to the absolute ineptness the club was run with in the earlier part of the decade, so you can continue to blame him for that.  But if you imagine that somewhere around 2006, a new owner bought the team with the same name as the old one I don’t know that there would be much criticism of him.

What I also find interesting is why he has changed and why he was so bad in the first place.  A lot of fans talk about the Wal-Mart mentality, which is simplistic but accurate.  The primary Wal-Mart mentality is that costs are the enemy.  They must be destroyed everywhere possible.  Rising costs will never benefit you in any way.  I can’t imagine a guy so steeped in that culture can swiftly change to a baseball mentality where spending lots of money in the right places can help you to grow revenues significantly in the long run.

I also wonder how much of what David Glass did at the beginning of the decade was designed to bring about increased revenue sharing.  It wouldn’t be surprising  if he and Bud Selig got together and hatched a plan to help bring it about.  A large part of the plan was that Glass had to be on Bud’s side in everything, from paying slot-bonuses to not over-spending in free agency.  Together they worked on some other smaller market owners and got the luxury tax and revenue sharing instituted.  In my mind the coup de grace is the 30 team even-split of MLB Advanced Media money, which is quickly becoming baseballs cash cow.  If in fact, David Glass hurt his own team’s chances of winning to get these changes in baseball and it was the only way it could happen, then I think it was a good call.  It would be a very tough decision in the near term and he took major heat from other owners and his own fanbase, but in the very long term he may have saved Kansas City as a viable Major League city.  Maybe I am giving him too much credit for these changes, but I doubt we will ever know.

The other potential reason he has changed his ways could be due to hiring Dayton Moore.  Most of the changes do coincide with Moore being hired as the General Manager.  I have no doubt that Moore was aware of how much the spending had been cut under David Glass and how meddlesome he had become in baseball affairs.  With that knowledge, I could see Moore asking Glass to let him run the baseball side of things and to increase the budget in all facets of the organization if he was to take the job.  Frankly, if the only thing Dayton Moore accomplishes in his tenure as General Manager was to create David Glass 2.0, I would be pretty satisfied.

Throughout the decade of David Glass’ ownership of the Royals, the team has lost a record amount of games.  Those losses without question are the direct result of the things Glass has done as an owner.  However, from all the information available, it seems that he has become in many respects a model owner in recent years.  His prior mistakes continue to haunt the franchise and will do so for at least a couple more years.  He shouldn’t be given a pass for those mistakes; however he should be praised for changing his ways and doing the right things.  Dayton Moore gets a lot of credit for building one of the best farm systems in all of baseball, and rightfully so.  However, without David Glass increasing expenditures and letting the baseball people make the baseball decisions we wouldn’t be looking as hopeful at the 2012-2015 timeframe as we are now.

Nick Scott is the host of the Broken Bat Single Royals podcast.  You can email him at brokenbatsingle at gmail dot com or you can follow him on Twitter at @brokenbatsingle

Outside of the rather bizarre debate swirling around Royal-land over the value of Yuniesky Betancourt (which at one point over the weekend seemed to devalue itself to the level of Betancourt giving more to the team than Billy Butler – you know, the Billy Butler with the OPS+ of 128), probably the biggest debate surrounding the Royals is when they will be in a position to contend.   Is it 2012 or 2014?   Is The Process a five year undertaking or eight?

After a feel good taking of two of three games from the White Sox in the span of less than 24 hours, I thought it might be time for a status check.   As our measuring stick, we will use Wins Above Replacement Level (courtesy Baseball Reference).

The Minnesota Twins won the 2009 American League Central with a cumulative WAR of 34.7.   This year, the Twins are leading the division with a cumulative WAR of 37.9.   The Kansas City Royals currently sport a WAR of 15.     That’s a wee bit of ground to make up. 

Given that the Royals, by most indications, will not have much money to spend this off-season and will probably not get much help, at least early in 2011, from its highly touted minor league system, let’s take a look at what is likely to be the 2011 roster and what it might yield in terms of WAR.

Position Players

  • Jason Kendall – Catcher.   Yes, he will be back.  Yes, he will play an inordinate amount of the time.  Yes, I would say the odds are that Jason hits second in at least 80 games next year.   Welcome to the world of Ned.   Anyway, Kendall is sporting a WAR this season of 0.9.   As recently as 2008, his WAR was 2.0 and back in his heyday, Jason put up WARs of 4.9 and 5.7.  It is no longer his hey day, however.   Can we really expect more that a 1.0 WAR in 2011?
  • Backup catcher.   Could be Brayan Pena, could be Lucas May or even someone else.  None will get enough of a chance to make a difference.
  • Billy Butler – 1b/DH.   Last year, Butler posted a WAR of 1.2.  This year, his WAR stands at 3.5. I am still trying to figure out why everyone is either down on him or thinks he is ‘getting a free pass from the fans’.   He is the best hitter on the team and likely will be next year, when I expect his WAR to be at least 4.0 or better.
  • Kila Ka’aihue – 1b/DH.  I do not know if Kila will actually be on the roster next season, but I wanted to use ‘in house’ guys for the purpose of this comparison.   He has not shown much to date, but then neither did Paul Konerko or Travis Hafner(or Schmidt or Brett or Manny Ramirez) after 59 plate appearances.   With so little data, I will not assign a WAR value for Kila’s 2011 campaign until later.
  • Chris Getz – 2B.   His current WAR is -0.4 after posting a 1.5 for Chicago last season.   I have a feeling the Royals are going to want him to be the second baseman next year.   I am kind of a Getz fan deep down, but have a hard time seeing him do any better than last year’s mark.
  • Yuniesky Betancourt – SS.  The arguments in support of Yuni from the organization and those close to it are coming with such frequency that ‘silliness’ is an apt description.   That said, Betancourt’s WAR of 1.3 and recent hot streak is enough to make one at least dream of Yuni reaching his career high of 2.2 (2007).
  • Wilson Betemit – 3B.  A 1.002 OPS will surely buy Wilson more time at third base while the Royals wait for Mike Moustakas.   As I detailed a week or so ago, there is not much statistical difference between the career of Betemit and Raul Ibanez at this stage.   Betemit already has a WAR of 1.2, which matches his career high back in 2005.
  • Alex Gordon – LF.  Is it wishful thinking or does Gordon look more comfortable this time around?   Back in 2008, Alex posted a WAR of 3.1.   Left field does not carry the defensive value of third base, but I could foresee Gordon hitting better than he did in 2008.
  • Gregor Blanco – CF.   Short of doing something substantial in the off-season, the Royals do not have a lot of options in centerfield.   This could be Mitch Maier, but you know the organization has never truly embraced him, so it feels like Blanco in 2011.   He was a negative WAR player in his only full season in the majors, but is currently at 0.4 – a career high.
  • David DeJesus – RF.  Despite not playing since mid-July, DeJesus is almost certain to still finish second in WAR amongst the position players (2.9).   Since 2005, DeJesus has never posted a WAR less of less than three.
  • Mike Aviles – INF.   The player who posted a 3.7 WAR in 2008 has shown little power and uneven defense this season on his way to a 0.1 WAR.   He is probably better than that, but maybe not as good as he showed in 2008 – not to mention that he probably won’t get the at-bats he did that season, either.
  • Mitch Maier – OF.  He is a 1.0 WAR player this season after being a 1.2 last year.   While Mitch has never quite reached everyday player status, he has amassed enough plate appearances to make you think this is pretty much what he is going to be.
  • Willie Bloomquist – UTIL.    Willie was a 1.0 WAR in 2008, 0.4 in 2009 and a dead replacement level 0.0 this season.  Sounds like the kind of guy the Royals will re-sign.

Let’s tally up a possible 2011 WAR in optimistic terms:

Kendall (1.0), Butler (4.0), Getz (1.0), Betancourt (2.0 – see I AM being nice), Betemit (2.0), Gordon (3.0), Blanco (0.5), DeJesus (3.5), Aviles (0.5), Maier (1.0), Bloomquist (0.0), for a total of 18.5 WAR without factoring in Kila Ka’aihue or whomever might occupy that spot.


  • Zack Greinke.   He was a 9.0 WAR pitcher last season and we may never see that again.   However, we likely will see better than the 2.0 mark Zack currently sports right now.  In 2008, Greinke sported a 4.2 WAR and that or better is certainly doable in 2011.
  • Joakim Soria.  Yes, we are doing the easy ones first.   Soria is at 2.9 WAR right now, after a 2.7 campaign in 2009 and 3.4 WAR in 2008.   He may be the surest bet on the team to post a WAR above 3.0 next year.
  • Robinson Tejeda.  When you are projecting the staff for 2011, it sure seems like Tejeda is the third safest bet to be in on it.  He posted 1.5 WAR in 2009 and was 0.8 this season before the injury.  There will be a two or three week period when Robinson is awful in 2011, but he will be very good the rest of the time on his way to a WAR somewhere above one.
  • Luke Hochevar.  I am beginning to lose faith here, but Luke did improve from a -1.1 WAR in 2009 to 0.2 this year.  Being hurt for three months does nothing for your development curve so just getting above replacement level will be a step for Luke in 2011.
  • Sean O’Sullivan.  The difference between Bannister, Davies and O’Sullivan?  Age.   If the Royals are lucky (for once), O’Sullivan will prove it is more than that over time.  Still, tough to see him making a huge impact on the WAR front in 2011.
  • Bruce Chen.  He is your number two starter in 2011 as it stands right now.   Once upon a time in 2005, Chen produced a WAR of 3.2 and he has been something of a revelation this year (of course, nothing like Yuni, right Nate?), but his WAR is still just 0.5.  
  • Brian Bannister, Kyle Davies, Bryan Bullington.  Well, somebody has to start on the fifth day.   Bannister has gone from a 3.3 WAR pitcher in 2007 to -0.7 this year and appears to still be digging.   Davies’  WAR as a Royals has descended from 1.7 to 0.6 to the dreaded zero.   Bullington?  Who knows.
  • Rest of the Bullpen.   After Soria and Tejeda, it could be virtually anyone.   Kanekoa Texeira has a WAR of 0.2, Dusty Hughes 0.0, Blake Wood -0.5, Jesse Chavez 0.3…you get the picture here.   Oh yeah, Gil Meche will supposedly be there in 2011, too.   I love Gil, I really do and it is worth mentioning that he gave the Royals a 4.9 WAR in 2007 and 3.8 in 2008 and even managed to stay above replacement level in 2009 (0.7), but those number are long gone and that’s too bad.

Okay, what’s our tally for the pitching staff in 2011?

Greinke (5.0), Soria (3.5), Tejeda (1.5)…umm….well……can the other four starters and five relievers at least combine to NOT be negative?   Let’s hope for the best and assign an arbitrary and unscientific WAR of 1.5 to the other four starters and a net 1.0 to the rest of the relief corp.   That brings us to a total pitching staff WAR of 12.5.

Summing it Up

Our 2011 projection puts us at a total WAR of 31.0, which probably is not enough to threaten for the A.L. Central, but enough to make us interested and less bitter and hopefully debate something other than how Yuniesky Betancourt is third amongst AL shortstops in home runs.   Of course, that 31.0 WAR is banking on, if not career years, improved season from almost everyone on the team.

On the flipside, however, we have allotted nothing for whomever fills the last corner spot on the team (Kila Ka’aihue or someone else) and not made any allowance for just one starting pitcher to break out and be decent.

Without getting into a big debate over individual players, let’s just start with the idea that the current roster is going to produce 31 wins above replacement level in 2011.   What do you do in the off season?   Do you just hang on, save some money (knowing Meche’s $12 million comes off the books the following winter) and wait for your AA pitching staff to mature into major league arms in 2012?   Do you go get one more bat this winter or wait for Moustakas, Hosmer and Myers?

I will be honest and say I don’t have the answer here, or even an opinion at this point.    I have been around a long time (I remember the Royals’ FIRST playoff game for godssake) and find my patience wearing thin to get back to contender status.   That said, I am also a realist (sort of) and know that the smartest course of action might just be to hold the line for one more year before trying to do something big via free agency or trade.

This quandry is one I imagine is felt by most Royals fans, old and young, and probably, when they are not busy defending Betancourt, one that occupies the minds of many in the Royals’ organization.    It will be interesting to see which way Dayton Moore and crew decide to go this winter.

Episode #030 – Nick reviews the epic White Sox series, talks Yuni vs Butler and some thoughts on Gordon and Blanco.  He also has in Brian Boesch the play-by-play announcer for the Burlington Royals to discuss some of the prospects in the Appalachian League.


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Well, that was bound to happen sooner rather than later.  Frankly, I’m surprised Blake Wood hasn’t coughed up more leads.  Thursday was only the fourth blown “save” in 40 appearances this year.

(I put save in quotes because we all know Wood isn’t the closer, so it’s not up to him to earn the save.  Although by pitching late and in close games, he often enters the game in save situations.  Thus, the blown save stat.)

A couple of things stood out to me about his appearance:

–  That was only the third time all year Wood appeared in three consecutive games.  The  other time was way back in Trey Hillman’s last game and carried into Ned Yost’s first two games in charge.  Perhaps not so surprisingly, Wood gave up two hits and a run in blowing a lead in that third game.

To be fair, it wasn’t like he had been overworked the previous two appearances.   He threw 10 pitches on Tuesday and just two pitches on Wednesday.  Still, something has to be said for getting a pitcher up three days in a row, warming him up in the bullpen and then bringing into a game.  There’s a certain amount of stress involved in this routine, pitch counts be damned.

—  In the match-up against Asdrubal Cabrera (which tied the game), Wood threw eight pitches – all fastballs.  The fastest was clocked at 98 mph and the slowest was 96 mph.  These eight pitches were essentially identical.  The result was predictable.

For some reason, Yost trusts Wood in these high leverage situations like the one we saw on Thursday.  Here are the Royals leaders in Leverage Index who are currently on the roster according to Baseball Prospectus:

Joakim Soria – 1.97
Jesse Chavez – 1.68
Blake Wood – 1.44
Bryan Bullington – 1.01

In many ways, it’s good to see Soria at the top of the list.  It underscores the importance of the closer – something I have mocked in the past.  Of Soria’s 35 saves, 19 have been of the one run variety while eight have been in games with two run margins.  Pretty tight.

It’s a little surprising to see Chavez so high.  However in his seven appearances, he’s entered with the game tied twice, with the Royals ahead by one or two runs three times and with the team down by a run twice.  He’s not coming into the game in blowouts.  That’s not going to end well, either.  Chavez just doesn’t possess the command to be reliable late in close games.

And Bullington is now in the rotation.

Yost doesn’t have a ton of options in the bullpen.  Maybe that’s why he keeps turning to Wood.

By the time Yost turned to Dusty Hughes (who couldn’t get the left handed hitting Travis Hafner out) and by the time the inning was over, a three run lead turned into a two run deficit.  Ballgame.

It’s too bad because Kyle Davies awesome through seven innings.  Not being able to see the game (not on TV?  What’s up with that?  Maybe that’s a good thing… The Indians commit five errors, but win with seven runs over the last two innings?  It’s possible I would have chucked my Boulevard through the screen.) but knowing Davies threw only 84 pitches entering the eighth and had surrendered only four hits, it was probably the correct call by Yost to send him back to the mound.  According to Pitch f/x, his velocity was fine at that point and he had been effectively changing speeds all evening.  Plus, as  the fact he didn’t walk a batter all evening will attest, he was working in the zone.

And with the current state of the Royals bullpen, why not see if Davies can go eight before turning it over to Soria in the ninth?

Unfortunately, when Davies got into hot water, Yost didn’t have a reliable Plan B waiting in the bullpen.


— Yuniesky Betancourt came to the plate four times and saw a grand total of nine pitches.  Stop with the “Betancourt is pretty good” talk.  Please.

Yes, it’s great he’s hitting for power.  That’s something no one saw coming this year.  And his home runs have been timely – seven of his 12 have given the Royals the lead or tied the game.  There have been times where I have been surprised at his ability to deliver in key situations.  Although I think Betancourt’s positive moments stand out because they’re infrequent and expectations couldn’t be much lower to start.  When the D student turns in an A paper, it kind of gets noticed.

What I fail to understand is how certain people around the Royals seem to delight in pointing out his offensive “excellence” while ignoring the fact his .290 OBP is the fifth lowest in the league this year and he continues to exhibit next to no discipline at the plate.  Last night was Exhibit A. The guy goes up there hacking, with no feel for the situation and with no ability to employ strategic situational hitting.

However, his defense is still in the bottom of the league among shortstops.  And don’t forget to factor Betancourt’s defense into his overall performance on the season.  He remains terrible by any metric you choose – UZR, +/- – you name it.  According to the Fielding Bible’s plus/minus system, Betancourt is currently a -9 on fielding plays.  Not good.  Especially for a shortstop.  Going a step further, the Bible has Betancourt at -7 for runs saved with his glove.  Again, not good.  That ranks him 32nd out of 35 shortstops.  Plus, his double play efficiency has really declined this year.  After converting about 62% of all double play opportunities over the last couple of seasons, he’s converting roughly 45% of all double play opportunities.  That ranks him 35th.

Of course, looking at (less than) a single season while using defensive metrics is sketchy.  Those in the know say you need to look at at least three seasons of defensive data before you draw a conclusion.

Going back to 2008, Betancourt has ranked dead last in the AL among shortstops in UZR.  My eyes see a lack of mobility and range.  While Betancourt can occasionally make a stellar play, for every one Web Gem, he neglects three or four makable fielding chances.  The numbers back this up.

Focus on the big picture.

Apparently, it is not just chicks that dig the long ball.

Last night, Yuniesky Betancourt hit his 12th home run of the season and ignited a wave of love and affection throughout the world of Twitter and beyond.   We were instantly told how Yuni is now third among American League shortstops in slugging and fifth in OPS.      To be fair, those numbers do mean something and Betancourt has been on quite a streak at the plate as of late (.406/.406/.813/1.219 over his last 9 games).      The educated, unbiased, in-the-know followers (or maybe that should be contrarian or organizational employee) of the Royals will tell you that Betancourt has been unjustly skewered, that those defensive metrics really are a lie and, besides, who else is going to play shortstop better for the Royals right now?   C’mon everyone, love Yuni!

Well, I cannot argue with the second to last statement above:  there really is no one else to man the position at the current time.   Mike Aviles v.2010 is not the same guy who patrolled short in 2008.   That, by the way, is the answer to the ever more prevalent question ‘how long has it been since the Royals had a shortstop play as well as Betancourt?’.  It’s has been exactly two years – you know the year Aviles posted a WAR higher than any Royals since Beltran (yes, I know I have used that line five times this summer).

Let me digress I minute and offer a thought on Aviles.  In the field, he has reminded me of Mark Teahen prior to his shoulder surgery.   You might remember, Teahen was a mess at third base (Bill James’ words not mine) in 2005 and 2006.   His arm was erratic, there was a hitch in his throwing motion – both of which can be attributed to a bad shoulder, but Mark also had horrific footwork.   Sometimes he looked to me to be playing the game on skates out there.   While Teahen did not play a ton of third base once he returned from surgery, I thought he did look, if not better, at least more fluid in the field.

Flash forward to Aviles this year, coming back quickly from Tommy John surgery.  What had been an above average defensive shortstop in 2008 no looks like a BELOW average second baseman in 2010.   The errors, like Teahen, are no all with the arm, but also with the glove.   Is Aviles rushing, knowing or at least not trusting that he has the arm strength to the make the play?  Is that causing booted grounders and bad decisions?   Hey, I don’t know, just a thought.

Okay, back to Betancourt.   Let’s get a feel for what being 3rd in slugging and 5th in OPS among AL shortstops really means.   There are thirteen players who have logged 300 our more plate appearances while playing shortstop this year.   Here they are in order of OPS:

  • Alex Gonzalez
  • Alexei Ramirez
  • Derek Jeter
  • Cliff Pennington
  • Marco Scutaro
  • Jhonny Peralta
  • Erick Aybar
  • Elvis Andrus
  • Ramon Santiago
  • Miguel Tejeda
  • Jason Bartlett
  • Cesar Izturis

What the heck has happened to the shortstop position?!!   Ranking high statistically among American League shortstops is much like, well, leading the Royals in home runs or being the fastest guy on your slow pitch softball team.   It’s nice, but it does not mean much.   Trust me, I was the fastest guy on my slow pitch team and no matter how many people I told that to, not one of them seemed to be impressed!  What are the odds?

Sarcasm aside, it truthfully is better to rank high in a bad pool than not.  However, it should be noted that Betancourt’s on-base percentage is second worst only to Izturis and his OPS+ is still a below average 93.   That number, by the way, is equal to his career high set in 2007.   Five and one-half seasons into his major league career, Betancourt has  never posted an OPS+ that is even close to average.

Here is another way to look at Betancourt’s production.   Let’s compare Betancourt’s 2010 batting line prior to the birth of his child to that of Angel Berroa in 2004 and 2005 (the two years after his ROY campaign):

  • Berroa 2004 – 262/308/385
  • Berroa 2005 – 270/305/375
  • Betancourt 2010 as of Aug 4 – 257/281/393
  • Betancourt 2010 total – 269/290/426

Hey, at least we finally found the next Angel Berroa.

Okay, I know I am being overly cynical.  Especially since the Royals are on a three game winning streak and Yuniesky Betancourt has been a major part of that.   However, can we at least admit that this ‘game saving’ play two nights ago came with a gigantic assist from Kila Ka’aihue on the other end?   And can we also remember that for every ‘great’ play in the field, we can all remember a botched double play ball or simply lack of range that led to a ‘bad inning’.     You can debate defensive metrics, but this is a shortstop with close to six years of everyday play who does not own a defensive number that does not begin with a negative sign.

In the end, I can live with Yuniesky Betancourt:  he really is the best option the Royals have at the current time.   Chances are, he might well be the everyday shortstop for the entirety of 2011 as well.        Betancourt will likely give the Royals something very close to his career line of .274/.297/.396 with spectacularly inconsistent defense.  

There is nothing on his resume to make you think this hot streak is a precursor to great things.   This is a player who has not been jerked up and down between the majors and minors.  He has not had a catastrophic injury, nor has he been moved around the infield.  For six years, Yuniesky Betancourt has been an everyday shortstop and, for six years, has virtually the exact same player.       His 23 doubles and 12 home runs this year is not really all that different from the 38 doubles and 9 home runs he slugged in 2007.

Betancourt is how he is and right now he is a player on a great hot streak.   Enjoy it, give him credit for it, but let’s not get carried away.

You may look at the box score and see that Zack Greinke gave up one run in six innings and think he had a good game.  Hmmmm.  Certainly, it’s good anytime a starter hold the opposition to one run, but this felt like a battle almost every step of the way.

Three walks against just four strikeouts and Greinke needed every ounce of the 105 pitches he threw in the six innings.  Greinke just didn’t have his command.  Of the 105 pitches he threw, only 57 of them were strikes.  That’s 54%, a percentage is far too low, given our ace starter normally throws a strike 64% of the time.

His fastball showed some life and averaged 94.6 mph, which is above his seasonal fastball average of 93.2 mph.  That’s a relief. (Although I remain skeptical about the Kauffman Stadium radar gun.  Seems like it still runs a little hot.)  While the velocity was there, the swing and misses were… Missing.  He threw 61 fastballs and got only four swing and misses.

Of course, we all know the slider is his out pitch, but the Indians showed patience in not offering.  Of the 23 sliders Greinke threw on Tuesday, only 11 were strikes.

It was just a grind last night.  One of those games where I was on the edge of my seat because I was just waiting for Greinke to give up a string of hits and basically throw in the towel.  Fortunately, his defense bailed him out more than once.  That’s something you don’t hear everyday.

So Zack is still scuffling.  He pitched a great game in his previous start in Los Angeles, but couldn’t really find the rhythm or his comfort zone last night.  That’s kind of been the story of his season.  We’re all waiting for that “eureka” moment, but I’m not sure we’re going to get that.  Instead, we may have to settle for inconsistency.

That’s a bummer.  I want the 2009 version of Greinke back.  On a consistent basis.

— I can’t possibly be the only person who, when watching Kila rip a couple of fastballs to right, thinks, “Slider bat speed, my ass.”  The guy can flat turn on a pitch.  I have absolutely no idea where the myth developed that he doesn’t possess the bat speed to handle a fastball.  Looked fine to me last night.

— Speaking of Kila, he turned in a pair of nice defensive plays at first last night.  And both came in key situations.  The first was with two down in the second with a run already in and two runners on base.  Jason Donald hit a weak grounder to third and Wilson Betemit had to rush his throw.  Kila made a nice stretch to get the out.  That was a fine play, but the one that really stood out was in the ninth.  Asdrubal Cabrera hits a grounder to the hole between short and third.  Yuniesky Betancourt ranges to his right and makes a strong throw, but Kila really saved the day with another excellent stretch.  Billy Butler is much improved defensively at first, but I’m not sure he makes that play in the ninth.

— Maybe the opposition will begin to respect Kila.  An intentional walk to Butler in the fifth?  This really is a rivalry.

— Betemit put a charge in his home run, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone crush a pitch this year like Jim Thome did last night in Minnesota.

— It makes me incredibly sad that Yuniesky Betancourt is second on this team with 11 home runs.  This sudden burst of power is the only thing keeping his OPS+ hovering around the 90 point mark.  Ugh.

— The Royals bullpen will provide antacid moments for the rest of the season.  Guaranteed.  No clue what Jesse Chavez was doing in the seventh.  And Blake Wood in the eighth only works because the Indians are a woeful offensive team.

— Did the Indians have a legitimate beef at the end of the game regarding Kerwin Danley’s strike zone?  Perhaps.  However, Danley was calling the high outside strike all night – that was the pitch that sent Shin-Soo Choo packing in the ninth for the second out.  The cutter Soria delivered a couple pitches prior was in almost the exact same location and it was called a strike.  Having said that, it would appear Travis Hafner has a legit reason to complain.  That final strike was way off the plate.  Here’s Danley’s called pitches for the night.  The final pitch of the game is easily identifiable:  It’s the red square way off the plate.

The battle for fourth place rolls on…

Yesterday, the Royals had a much needed off-day.  However, while the Major League club isn’t playing a game, the action does not stop in the organization.  Yesterday, there were eight games played throughout the Royals Minor League system.  I know that when the Major League team struggles, the focus can start to turn towards the Minor Leagues and for good reason.  The minors represent a brighter future and hope of a renewed organization.  For a lot of reasons, there is some excitement building around the current crop of Royals Minor Leaguers.

If you are anything like me, you spend most mornings looking at all of the minor league box scores to see how some of the younger guys like Eric Hosmer, Wil Myers and Christian Colon are faring.  However, going to individual team pages to find a box score can be a little tedious with nine different minor league teams.  Recently, I began putting together a .pdf of the previous days action around the Royals organization.  It has every box score and a quick rundown of who had a pretty good night.  It is still a work in progress, and there are some days where I am unable to put the document together.  But, recently I’ve been sending it around to some people via email and it has had a pretty good response.  So now, loyal Royals Authority readers, I offer it up to you as well.

If you would like to be added to the email list to receive this, just send an email to brokenbatsingle at gmail dot com, and ask to be added.  Keep in mind though, that it is still a work in progress so there are formatting things I need to iron out and it may come slightly sporadically.  All you will receive via email will be an email from me with the .pdf file.  You can print it out, read it on a Kindle, a laptop or any .pdf reader.  I hope you get some value out of it.  If you would like to preview todays file, click on the link below.

Nicks Royals Report 8-16

Nick Scott is the host of the Broken Bat Single Royals podcast, a hopeless Royals fan and hates preseason football.  You can follow him on Twitter at @brokenbatsingle

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