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		<title>By: TJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 01:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Getz is definitely more valuable to the Royals than Aviles.  One thing everybody takes for granted with Getz are his valuable at-bats.  He will routinely take 6-8 pitches, and has a great eye.  Throughout a game, that&#039;s about 30 pitches taken from one player, which, regardless of what he does with the pitch, wears a pitcher down and helps the entire team.  He is a lot better in the field than Aviles and if given a chance daily, will increase his BA and prove he is more valuable than Aviles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getz is definitely more valuable to the Royals than Aviles.  One thing everybody takes for granted with Getz are his valuable at-bats.  He will routinely take 6-8 pitches, and has a great eye.  Throughout a game, that&#8217;s about 30 pitches taken from one player, which, regardless of what he does with the pitch, wears a pitcher down and helps the entire team.  He is a lot better in the field than Aviles and if given a chance daily, will increase his BA and prove he is more valuable than Aviles.</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 21:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last year, both Yuni and Escobar had 0.6 WAR. Yuni had a .692 OPS, Escobar .614, .078 OPS to make up for the difference in fielding between one of the worst and one of the best.  This year Aviles is .105 higher than Getz on OPS and 0.6 higher on WAR, so is the superior choice.  Your point is made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year, both Yuni and Escobar had 0.6 WAR. Yuni had a .692 OPS, Escobar .614, .078 OPS to make up for the difference in fielding between one of the worst and one of the best.  This year Aviles is .105 higher than Getz on OPS and 0.6 higher on WAR, so is the superior choice.  Your point is made.</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 19:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Jim – is there a baseball person or sabrematrician out there that doesn’t think shortstop is a more important defensive position than short? Are you implying that the defensive difference between Getz and Aviles is the same as that between Escobar and Aviles?&quot;

Don&#039;t know if SS is more important than 2B.  Is there a way to factor that?  Looks like both positions handle a similar number of chances and SS would seem to be easier on the double-play than 2B, as the SS is facing 1B and doesn&#039;t have to pivot.  SS needs a stronger arm due to length of throw but usually has a 3B that is a better fielder than the average 1B and also isn&#039;t holding runners on.  I would think arm strength the major difference.

Just as a test of your theory, which does seem to have some validity as five at bats compares well to five fielding chances as far as sample size, would you say that Milwaukee got the better deal by getting Yuni in exchange for Escobar?  In 2010, Yuni was clearly the superior hitter while being painfully bad at SS.

&quot;Career wise, by the way, Mike Aviles has a higher OBP than Getz, as well as slugging, average and OPS+, but since he went 1-6 last night I imagine that is all ‘old’ data now.&quot;

Aviles has been pretty stinky so far this year, especially against RHP, and the last week has been painful.  I wonder if we are seeing &#039;30 year old ballplayer syndrome&#039; as he decays before our eyes.  I agree that Getz has hit his way out of the line up, as, I think Escobar and Getz have.  Best solution is packaging Soria and Francis and maybe Aviles in exchange for a good young 2B, Robinson Cano comes to mind.  Next best might be to send both Escobar and Getz to Omaha to learn to hit and bring Falu and Giavotella up.  They couldn&#039;t be any worse.

Not trying to be mean, just trying to learn.  I&#039;m new to the stats, being an old &#039;eyeball&#039; evaluator.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Jim – is there a baseball person or sabrematrician out there that doesn’t think shortstop is a more important defensive position than short? Are you implying that the defensive difference between Getz and Aviles is the same as that between Escobar and Aviles?&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know if SS is more important than 2B.  Is there a way to factor that?  Looks like both positions handle a similar number of chances and SS would seem to be easier on the double-play than 2B, as the SS is facing 1B and doesn&#8217;t have to pivot.  SS needs a stronger arm due to length of throw but usually has a 3B that is a better fielder than the average 1B and also isn&#8217;t holding runners on.  I would think arm strength the major difference.</p>
<p>Just as a test of your theory, which does seem to have some validity as five at bats compares well to five fielding chances as far as sample size, would you say that Milwaukee got the better deal by getting Yuni in exchange for Escobar?  In 2010, Yuni was clearly the superior hitter while being painfully bad at SS.</p>
<p>&#8220;Career wise, by the way, Mike Aviles has a higher OBP than Getz, as well as slugging, average and OPS+, but since he went 1-6 last night I imagine that is all ‘old’ data now.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aviles has been pretty stinky so far this year, especially against RHP, and the last week has been painful.  I wonder if we are seeing &#8217;30 year old ballplayer syndrome&#8217; as he decays before our eyes.  I agree that Getz has hit his way out of the line up, as, I think Escobar and Getz have.  Best solution is packaging Soria and Francis and maybe Aviles in exchange for a good young 2B, Robinson Cano comes to mind.  Next best might be to send both Escobar and Getz to Omaha to learn to hit and bring Falu and Giavotella up.  They couldn&#8217;t be any worse.</p>
<p>Not trying to be mean, just trying to learn.  I&#8217;m new to the stats, being an old &#8216;eyeball&#8217; evaluator.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Fosler</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=4025&#038;cpage=1#comment-7213</link>
		<dc:creator>Clark Fosler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 02:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim - is there a baseball person or sabrematrician out there that doesn&#039;t think shortstop is a more important defensive position than short?  Are you implying that the defensive difference between Getz and Aviles is the same as that between Escobar and Aviles?

At any rate, as stated in the column, Escobar IS going to play short everyday and the catchers are likely not going to consistently hit this year, so can a hopefully contending Royals team afford to also opt to go defense first at a third position as well?

Career wise, by the way, Mike Aviles has a higher OBP than Getz, as well as slugging, average and OPS+, but since he went 1-6 last night I imagine that is all &#039;old&#039; data now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; is there a baseball person or sabrematrician out there that doesn&#8217;t think shortstop is a more important defensive position than short?  Are you implying that the defensive difference between Getz and Aviles is the same as that between Escobar and Aviles?</p>
<p>At any rate, as stated in the column, Escobar IS going to play short everyday and the catchers are likely not going to consistently hit this year, so can a hopefully contending Royals team afford to also opt to go defense first at a third position as well?</p>
<p>Career wise, by the way, Mike Aviles has a higher OBP than Getz, as well as slugging, average and OPS+, but since he went 1-6 last night I imagine that is all &#8216;old&#8217; data now.</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
		<link>http://www.royalsauthority.com/?p=4025&#038;cpage=1#comment-7211</link>
		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 21:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Shortstop is a more important defensive position than second base.&quot;

Okay, so this is just limited to C, CF, and SS, the three most important defensive positions.  Should be possible to relatively quantify the value difference between 2B and SS, so we can statistically demonstrate that SS is more important and by high much, then we&#039;ll be able to find which infield is more productive, a Kila-Aviles-Escobar-Betamit or a Hosmer-Aviles-Getz-Betamit or a Hosmer-Aviles-Escobar-Betamit.

&quot;so the difference in hitting ability is even greater.&quot;

If hitting ability is based solely on slugging percentage, Aviles&#039; clearly superior skill.  You may well be right, just trying to find the limits.  Your idea seems to suggest that some of the Royals&#039; former catchers would be worth more than Matt Treanor, for instance.  Guess we would need a value assigned to position to show that Escobar is more productive than Aviles at short.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Shortstop is a more important defensive position than second base.&#8221;</p>
<p>Okay, so this is just limited to C, CF, and SS, the three most important defensive positions.  Should be possible to relatively quantify the value difference between 2B and SS, so we can statistically demonstrate that SS is more important and by high much, then we&#8217;ll be able to find which infield is more productive, a Kila-Aviles-Escobar-Betamit or a Hosmer-Aviles-Getz-Betamit or a Hosmer-Aviles-Escobar-Betamit.</p>
<p>&#8220;so the difference in hitting ability is even greater.&#8221;</p>
<p>If hitting ability is based solely on slugging percentage, Aviles&#8217; clearly superior skill.  You may well be right, just trying to find the limits.  Your idea seems to suggest that some of the Royals&#8217; former catchers would be worth more than Matt Treanor, for instance.  Guess we would need a value assigned to position to show that Escobar is more productive than Aviles at short.</p>
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		<title>By: Clark Fosler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark Fosler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim - simple answer to your question:   Shortstop is a more important defensive position than second base.   Also, an underlying point in my &#039;thesis&#039; was that Getz is not the TOP defender, nor is Aviles the Bottom defender, so the difference in hitting ability is even greater.

By the way, I know how much Kila paid me to be on his payroll - how much is Getz paying you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; simple answer to your question:   Shortstop is a more important defensive position than second base.   Also, an underlying point in my &#8216;thesis&#8217; was that Getz is not the TOP defender, nor is Aviles the Bottom defender, so the difference in hitting ability is even greater.</p>
<p>By the way, I know how much Kila paid me to be on his payroll &#8211; how much is Getz paying you?</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 19:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Because Escobar is actually a plus defender and could be elite whereas Getz is actually a slightly above average defender (like Aviles).&quot;

Agree, but the thesis was that the difference between the top and the bottom defenders was worth less than the difference in slugging percentage between Getz and Aviles.  Escobar is in his second year of poor plate performance, so, if offense is that much more important, then Betamit at 3rd, Getz at SS, and Aviles at 2nd seems the best line up with Escobar as a late inning defender.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Because Escobar is actually a plus defender and could be elite whereas Getz is actually a slightly above average defender (like Aviles).&#8221;</p>
<p>Agree, but the thesis was that the difference between the top and the bottom defenders was worth less than the difference in slugging percentage between Getz and Aviles.  Escobar is in his second year of poor plate performance, so, if offense is that much more important, then Betamit at 3rd, Getz at SS, and Aviles at 2nd seems the best line up with Escobar as a late inning defender.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 16:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Got ahead of myself a little.  I would say Aviles has the potential to be average or a bit above at 2nd.  Getz might be better than Aviles at 2nd, but I have no idea how it became a slam dunk in the eyes of most observers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Got ahead of myself a little.  I would say Aviles has the potential to be average or a bit above at 2nd.  Getz might be better than Aviles at 2nd, but I have no idea how it became a slam dunk in the eyes of most observers.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 16:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why aren’t you making the case for Aviles at SS?&quot;

Because Escobar is actually a plus defender and could be elite whereas Getz is actually a slightly above average defender (like Aviles).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why aren’t you making the case for Aviles at SS?&#8221;</p>
<p>Because Escobar is actually a plus defender and could be elite whereas Getz is actually a slightly above average defender (like Aviles).</p>
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		<title>By: jim fetterolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jim fetterolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2011 15:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Had a question about disparaging defense in favor of offense: Why aren&#039;t you making the case for Aviles at SS?  That would allow Betamit at 3rd and keeps Getz at 2nd, using the three top OPS of the four on the field.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a question about disparaging defense in favor of offense: Why aren&#8217;t you making the case for Aviles at SS?  That would allow Betamit at 3rd and keeps Getz at 2nd, using the three top OPS of the four on the field.</p>
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